Messages in this thread | | | From | "Jeff Merkey" <> | Subject | Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!? | Date | Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:08:59 -0600 |
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Apology accepted. Thank you for taking the high road.
Jeff
----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Treahy <treahy@mmaz.com> To: Jeff Merkey <jmerkey@timpanogas.com> Cc: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>; Barrett G. Lyon <blyon@netpr.com>; <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!?
> Please forgive me Jeff, I have no intent to assasinate your character but these > were your words, yes?: > > > > Don't you guys have something more constructive to focus on, like getting > > > real work done to make Linux better? If folks don't like it, then they > > > should join Jerry Falwell's Radio Preacher "moral majority" club > > I do agree with your immediate statement below that the morality of this > discussion has nothing to do with technological viability of the product, so why > did you make the comment earlier? Are changing posititions? > > Regardless, my point still stands which you missed in both messages and that is > that, atleast in corporate America, it is a battle to introduce good, new, > quality products that do not have MS branding and anything that can be or is > used to distract from the positive attributes of the product make it harder to > sell to management. Lets face it, atleast here in America, we are not known for > buying the 'best' product in the market, just the best 'marketed' product; > remember the 'Pet-Rock' and yes MS? > > Marketing of Linux is just as crucial as any other aspect of Linux and if > profanity in the code can be used against it, then why should we make life > harder for ourselves. > > I'll state it again, this isn't a morale issue, this is business and I want to > use the best tools available to me, not forced to use the industry norm because > some bean counter reads about a choice of words used in the sources, and perhaps > for kernel errors, and HE becauses offended! > > Barry Treahy > > Jeff Merkey wrote: > > > The venomous tone in your response is unprofessional and offensive. You > > also need to be careful about attempting character assasination with me. As > > I've been reminded by folks in this forum, this is not the place to debate > > morals or legal issues. Customers also don't really care about "morality" > > issues when it comes to technology solutions, and it doesn't matter one way > > or the other on this issues about whether enterprise customers will adopt > > Linux or not based on moral issues. Look at Microsoft, now there's a > > paragon of morality -- their predatory and ruthless behavior has not slowed > > or hindered sales of their products at all, in fasct, it's their behavior > > that has made them the most powerul and successful sfotware company on the > > planet.. Also, I haven't missed any points, and have seen the entire > > thread. History is replendent with those who take up the banner of "moral > > temperance" for their own personal causes. Most of the wars of history have > > their roots in this type of issue. We should keep this forum technical, and > > allow folks the freedom to express their views, however, they choose to do > > so -- even prof(ane)oundly if they choose to. > > > > Very Truly Yours, > > > > Jeff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Barry Treahy <treahy@mmaz.com> > > To: Jeff Merkey <jmerkey@timpanogas.com> > > Cc: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>; Barrett G. Lyon <blyon@netpr.com>; > > <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!? > > > > > I believe you've missed a couple of the well articulated points; that is > > that > > > people are working hard to present Linux as an acceptable component in > > corporate > > > environments and that anything which casts a negative impression about the > > Linux > > > makes it much harder to fight corporate bean counters that own MicroSloth > > stock. > > > > > > This isn't an issue of morals and you should keep your personal slams to > > > yourself, this is a matter of business and trying to make successful > > inroads > > > with powerful tools that we all recognize have value. Childish statements > > and > > > actions, or in this case profanity, do nothing but foster an attitude for > > those > > > Windoze folks that Linux shouldn't be taken seriously. > > > > > > Whether you like it or not, there are agendas out there and anything that > > can > > > give a product a black-eye will be used to distract or diminish the > > perceived > > > quality or viability in a corporate environment. > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > Jeff Merkey wrote: > > > > > > > Who cares! Profanity is like sex, death, and taxes -- it's a part of > > life. > > > > Don't you guys have something more constructive to focus on, like > > getting > > > > real work done to make Linux better? If folks don't like it, then they > > > > should join Jerry Falwell's Radio Preacher "moral majority" club or > > > > something. As swamped as I am with Linux work, I'm surprised folks out > > > > there have enough idel time on their hands to banter this type of stuff. > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org> > > > > To: Barrett G. Lyon <blyon@netpr.com>; <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:37 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!? > > > > > > > > > > >This topic came up several times before, and the result is that > > > > > > >arbitrary censorship of code/comments is not going to happen. The > > > > > > >only exception is in kernel messages which can reach the user in > > the > > > > > > >message logs, and those have been cleaned up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that I care.. but.. : > > > > > > > > > > > > ./net/core/profile.c: printk(KERN_CRIT "Yep, guys... our > > > > template > > > > > > for proc_*_read is crappy :-)\n"); > > > > > > ./drivers/net/sdladrv.c: printk(KERN_ERR "%s: Damn... > > > > > > Adapter won't start!\n", > > > > > > ./drivers/isdn/isdn_common.c: printk(KERN_ERR > > > > > > "isdn_common: isdn_poll 1 -> what the hell\n"); > > > > > > ./drivers/isdn/isdn_common.c: printk(KERN_ERR "isdn_common: > > isdn_poll > > > > 2 > > > > > > -> what the hell\n"); > > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: printk("SHIT[%s:%d]: " > > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: printk("SHIT[%s:%d]: " > > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: > > printk("instruction_access_exception: > > > > Shit > > > > > > SFSR[%016lx] SFAR[%016lx], going.\n", > > > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: > > printk("data_access_exception: > > > > Shit > > > > > > SFSR[%016lx] SFAR[%016lx], going.\n", > > > > > > > > > > Proposed config option: > > > > > CONFIG_ENABLE_PROFANITY > > > > > =) > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe > > linux-kernel" in > > > > > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > > > > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" > > in > > > > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > > > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > > > > > >
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