Messages in this thread | | | Date | Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:09:35 +0000 | Subject | Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" | From | "Artem S. Tashkinov" <> |
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On 9/29/22 12:52, Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:22:35PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >> Let me be brutally honest here, if you're working on the kernel, >> specially for a large company such as e.g. Intel, you're _expected_ to >> address the issues which are related to the kernel component[s] you're >> maintaining/developing otherwise it's not "development" it's "I'm >> dumping my code because my employer pays me to do that". That also means >> you're expected to address bug reports. > > I wish that were the case, unfortunately it is quite rare that > maintainers of subsystems of the kernel are allowed to work on upstream > issues like this all the time. Heck, part of the time would be > wonderful too, but that is also quite rare. So while maintainers would > love to be able to work like this, getting their management to agree to > this is not very common, sadly.
Understood but it's illogical and I cannot/will not accept it. For instance, here's a very common scenario: you work for company X. The company tells you to fix a bug/add a new feature/etc. You write the code, submit it and it results in a regression for other use cases. Are you saying it's alright and shouldn't be addressed? That's _exactly_ how many if not _most_ regressions in the kernel are introduced.
> >> AFAIK, the kernel bugzilla is a Linux Foundation project and the >> organization receives funding from its very rich members including >> Google, Meta, Intel, and even Microsoft. The fact that no one is >> seriously working on it looks shameful and sad. We are not talking about >> a minor odd library with a dozen users we are talking about the kernel. > > bugzilla.kernel.org is _hosted_ by the LF, and does a great job of > keeping it running and alive. The LF has nothing to do with the content > of the bugs in it, the reporting, the response of people to reported > bugs, assigning bugs to anyone, getting them fixed, or anything else > related to the content in the database at all. Please don't get > confused with the resources provided to host the system vs. the people > who actually do the kernel development itself. > > Note, the LF does sponsor a few kernel developers to do work on the > kernel, including myself, but we are a tiny drop in the bucket compared > to the 4000+ developers who contribute to the kernel every year. > > thanks, > > greg k-h
Keeping the website up and running requires next to zero human time/resources, that's not proper maintenance. The components/subsystems/developers haven't been updated in over a decade which results in a bug tracker which is nearly useless. People often file bug reports under "Other/Other" and no one is notified of anything. I don't even want to touch on the fact that the Bugzilla version the website is running is terribly outdated.
That's the issue I thought we're trying to resolve - making bugzilla useful. Under no circumstances I want to engage kernel developers or blame them for anything. I'm grateful you exist and do your work :-)
Best regards, Artem
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