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SubjectRe: [PATCH RFC 0/4] mm: Remember young bit for migration entries
On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 10:21:32AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 29.07.22 03:40, Peter Xu wrote:
> > [Marking as RFC; only x86 is supported for now, plan to add a few more
> > archs when there's a formal version]
> >
> > Problem
> > =======
> >
> > When migrate a page, right now we always mark the migrated page as old.
> > The reason could be that we don't really know whether the page is hot or
> > cold, so we could have taken it a default negative assuming that's safer.
> >
> > However that could lead to at least two problems:
> >
> > (1) We lost the real hot/cold information while we could have persisted.
> > That information shouldn't change even if the backing page is changed
> > after the migration,
> >
> > (2) There can be always extra overhead on the immediate next access to
> > any migrated page, because hardware MMU needs cycles to set the young
> > bit again (as long as the MMU supports).
> >
> > Many of the recent upstream works showed that (2) is not something trivial
> > and actually very measurable. In my test case, reading 1G chunk of memory
> > - jumping in page size intervals - could take 99ms just because of the
> > extra setting on the young bit on a generic x86_64 system, comparing to 4ms
> > if young set.
> >
> > This issue is originally reported by Andrea Arcangeli.
> >
> > Solution
> > ========
> >
> > To solve this problem, this patchset tries to remember the young bit in the
> > migration entries and carry it over when recovering the ptes.
> >
> > We have the chance to do so because in many systems the swap offset is not
> > really fully used. Migration entries use swp offset to store PFN only,
> > while the PFN is normally not as large as swp offset and normally smaller.
> > It means we do have some free bits in swp offset that we can use to store
> > things like young, and that's how this series tried to approach this
> > problem.
> >
> > One tricky thing here is even though we're embedding the information into
> > swap entry which seems to be a very generic data structure, the number of
> > bits that are free is still arch dependent. Not only because the size of
> > swp_entry_t differs, but also due to the different layouts of swap ptes on
> > different archs.
> >
> > Here, this series requires specific arch to define an extra macro called
> > __ARCH_SWP_OFFSET_BITS represents the size of swp offset. With this
> > information, the swap logic can know whether there's extra bits to use,
> > then it'll remember the young bits when possible. By default, it'll keep
> > the old behavior of keeping all migrated pages cold.
> >
> I played with a similar idea when working on pte_swp_exclusive() but
> gave up, because it ended up looking too hacky. Looking at patch #2, I
> get the same feeling again. Kind of hacky.

Could you explain what's the "hacky" part you mentioned?

I used swap entry to avoid per-arch operations. I failed to figure out a
common way to know swp offset length myself so unluckily in this RFC I
still needed one macro per-arch. Ying's suggestion seems to be a good fit
here to me to remove the last arch-specific dependency.

> If we mostly only care about x86_64, and it's a performance improvement
> after all, why not simply do it like
> pte_swp_mkexclusive/pte_swp_exclusive/ ... and reuse a spare PTE bit?

Page migration works for most archs, I want to have it work for all archs
that can easily benefit from it.

Besides I actually have a question on the anon exclusive bit in the swap
pte: since we have that anyway, why we need a specific migration type for
anon exclusive pages? Can it be simply read migration entries with anon
exclusive bit set?


Peter Xu

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