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SubjectRe: [PATCH net] net: vlan: allow vlan device MTU change follow real device from smaller to bigger
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 06:27:46PM -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 6:06 PM Ziyang Xuan (William)
> <william.xuanziyang@huawei.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 07:43:18AM -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Herbert, do you recall why only a decrease was taken into consideration ?
> > >
> > > Because we shouldn't override administrative settings of the MTU
> > > on the vlan device, unless we have to because of an MTU reduction
> > > on the underlying device.
> > >
> > > Yes this is not perfect if the admin never set an MTU to start with
> > > but as we don't have a way of telling whether the admin has or has
> > > not changed the MTU setting, the safest course of action is to do
> > > nothing in that case.
> > If the admin has changed the vlan device MTU smaller than the underlying
> > device MTU firstly, then changed the underlying device MTU smaller than
> > the vlan device MTU secondly. The admin's configuration has been overridden.
> > Can we consider that the admin's configuration for the vlan device MTU has
> > been invalid and disappeared after the second change? I think so.
>
> The answer is no.
>
> Herbert is saying:
>
> ip link add link eth1 dev eth1.100 type vlan id 100
> ...
> ip link set eth1.100 mtu 800
> ..
> ip link set eth1 mtu 256
> ip link set eth1 mtu 1500
>
> -> we do not want eth1.100 mtu being set back to 1500, this might
> break applications, depending on old kernel feature.
> Eventually, setting back to 800 seems ok.
>
> If you want this new feature, we need to record in eth1.100 device
> that no admin ever changed the mtu,
> as Herbert suggested.
>
> Then, it is okay to upgrade the vlan mtu (but still is a behavioral
> change that _could_ break some scripts)

What about an explicit option:

ip link add link eth1 dev eth1.100 type vlan id 100 follow-parent-mtu


Or for something more future proof, an option that can accept several
policies:

mtu-update <reduce-only,follow,...>

reduce-only (default):
update vlan's MTU only if the new MTU is smaller than the
current one (current behaviour).

follow:
always follow the MTU of the parent device.

Then if anyone wants more complex policies:

follow-if-not-modified:
follow the MTU of the parent device as long as the VLAN's MTU
was not manually changed. Otherwise only adjust the VLAN's MTU
when the parent's one is set to a smaller value.

follow-if-not-modified-but-not-quite:
like follow-if-not-modified but revert back to the VLAN's
last manually modified MTU, if any, whenever possible (that is,
when the parent device's MTU is set back to a higher value).
That probably requires the possibility to dump the last
modified MTU, so the administrator can anticipate the
consequences of modifying the parent device.

yet-another-policy (because people have a lot of imagination):
for example, keep the MTU 4 bytes lower than the parent device,
to account for VLAN overhead.

Of course feel free to suggest better names and policies :).

This way, we can keep the current behaviour and avoid unexpected
heuristics that are difficult to explain (and even more difficult for
network admins to figure out on their own).

> Thank you.
>

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