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SubjectRe: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Helge as fbdev maintainer
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Am 17.01.22 um 15:47 schrieb Helge Deller:
> On 1/17/22 15:10, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> [...]
>> Using an XRGB32 intermediate would kill the user experience on old
>> machines, due to both increased memory usage and copy overhead.
>>
>>> Personally, I'd much appreciate if userspace would support more of the
>>> native formats and not rely on XRGB32.
>>
>> Supporting monochrome, 16 colors, and 256 colors would be nice.
>
> From this conversation it seems DRM completely lacks backwards compatibility,
> including a missing 2D bitblt copy.
> Isn't that all what's needed and then migrating existing drivers would
> be easy ?

What exactly do you mean by 'backwards compatibility'? The driver API is
different, of course. My conversion helpers can provide a starting point
to move fbdev code into DRM drivers.

For fbdev 2d-bitblt ioctls, you can add them to DRM drivers and set up
DRM's fbdev emulation accordingly. Some DRM drivers do/did this. To my
knowledge, so far there's not been a use case where that provides a
benefit over simple memcpy. For fast 2d blitting from userspace, you
should read Daniel's comment at [1]. tl;dr: a generic solution is
non-trivial.

Best regards
Thomas

[1] https://blog.ffwll.ch/2018/08/no-2d-in-drm.html

>
> Helge
>
>
>>>> This not only to support "old" hardware, but also modern small OLED
>>>> and e-ink displays.
>>>
>>> There's a DRM driver for Repaper e-Ink displays. So it seems doable at
>>> least.
>>
>> Which uses an DRM_FORMAT_XRGB8888 intermediate, and
>> drm_fb_xrgb8888_to_gray8() and repaper_gray8_to_mono_reversed()
>> to convert from truecolor to monochrome. I guess that would work,
>> as this is a slow e-ink display. Have fun as a text console ;-)
>>
>> Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
>>
>> Geert
>>
>> --
>> Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org
>>
>> In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
>> when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
>> -- Linus Torvalds
>>
>

--
Thomas Zimmermann
Graphics Driver Developer
SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
(HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)
Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev
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