Messages in this thread | | | Subject | Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off | From | Shuah Khan <> | Date | Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:33:49 -0600 |
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On 6/22/21 4:59 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > Hi Shuah, > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 04:33:22PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: >> On 6/18/21 7:46 AM, Laurent Pinchart wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 01:55:23PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: >>>> On 6/10/21 1:26 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 21:39:49 +0300 Laurent Pinchart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There will always be more informal discussions between on-site >>>>>> participants. After all, this is one of the benefits of conferences, by >>>>>> being all together we can easily organize ad-hoc discussions. This is >>>>>> traditionally done by finding a not too noisy corner in the conference >>>>>> center, would it be useful to have more break-out rooms with A/V >>>>>> equipment than usual ? >>>>> >>>>> I've been giving this quite some thought too, and I've come to the >>>>> understanding (and sure I can be wrong, but I don't think that I am), >>>>> is that when doing a hybrid event, the remote people will always be >>>>> "second class citizens" with respect to the communication that is going >>>>> on. Saying that we can make it the same is not going to happen unless >>>>> you start restricting what people can do that are present, and that >>>>> will just destroy the conference IMO. >>>>> >>>>> That said, I think we should add more to make the communication better >>>>> for those that are not present. Maybe an idea is to have break outs >>>>> followed by the presentation and evening events that include remote >>>>> attendees to discuss with those that are there about what they might >>>>> have missed. Have incentives at these break outs (free stacks and >>>>> beer?) to encourage the live attendees to attend and have a discussion >>>>> with the remote attendees. >>>>> >>>>> The presentations would have remote access, where remote attendees can >>>>> at the very least write in some chat their questions or comments. If >>>>> video and connectivity is good enough, perhaps have a screen where they >>>>> can show up and talk, but that may have logistical limitations. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You are absolutely right that the remote people will have a hard time >>>> participating and keeping up with in-person participants. I have a >>>> couple of ideas on how we might be able to improve remote experience >>>> without restricting in-person experience. >>>> >>>> - Have one or two moderators per session to watch chat and Q&A to enable >>>> remote participants to chime in and participate. >>>> - Moderators can make sure remote participation doesn't go unnoticed and >>>> enable taking turns for remote vs. people participating in person. >>>> >>>> It will be change in the way we interact in all in-person sessions for >>>> sure, however it might enhance the experience for remote attendees. >>> >>> A moderator to watch online chat and relay questions is I believe very >>> good for presentations, it's hard for a presenter to keep an eye on a >>> screen while having to manage the interaction with the audience in the >>> room (there's the usual joke of the difference between an introvert and >>> an extrovert open-source developer is that the extrovert looks at *your* >>> shoes when talking to you, but in many presentations the speaker >>> nowadays does a fairly good job as watching the audience, at least from >>> time to time :-)). >>> >>> For workshop or brainstorming types of sessions, the highest barrier to >>> participation for remote attendees is local attendees not speaking in >>> microphones. That's the number one rule that moderators would need to >>> enforce, I think all the rest depends on it. This may require a larger >>> number of microphones in the room than usual. >>> >> >> Absolutely. Moderator has to make sure the following things happen for >> this to be effective: >> >> - Watch chat and Q&A, Raise hand from remote participants >> - Enforce some kind of taking turns to allow fairness in >> participation >> - Have the speaker repeat questions asked in the room (we do that now >> in some talks - both remote and in-person - chat and Q&A needs >> reading out for recording) >> - Explore live Transcription features available in the virtual conf. >> platform. You still need humans watching the transcription. >> - Have a running session notes combined with transcription. >> >> Any of these options aren't sustainable when large number of people >> are participating remotely or in-person. In general a small number of >> people participate either in person or remote in any case, based on >> my observation in remote and in-person settings. >> >> Maybe we can experiment with one or two workshops this time around >> and see how it works out. If we can figure an effective way, it would >> be beneficial for people that can't travel for one reason or the >> other. > > Can we nominate moderators ahead of time ? For workshop-style > discussions, they need to be a person who won't participate actively in > the discussions, as it's impossible to both contribute and moderate at > the same time. >
Correct. It will be impossible to participate and moderate in workshop setting. We have to ask for volunteers and nominate moderators ahead of time.
thanks, -- Shuah
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