Messages in this thread | | | From | Florian Weimer <> | Subject | Re: [PATCH v17 0/3] Add trusted_for(2) (was O_MAYEXEC) | Date | Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:27:15 +0100 |
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* Mickaël Salaün:
> Primary goal of trusted_for(2) > ============================== > > This new syscall enables user space to ask the kernel: is this file > descriptor's content trusted to be used for this purpose? The set of > usage currently only contains execution, but other may follow (e.g. > configuration, sensitive data). If the kernel identifies the file > descriptor as trustworthy for this usage, user space should then take > this information into account. The "execution" usage means that the > content of the file descriptor is trusted according to the system policy > to be executed by user space, which means that it interprets the content > or (try to) maps it as executable memory.
I sketched my ideas about “IMA gadgets” here:
IMA gadgets <https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/11/30/1>
I still don't think the proposed trusted_for interface is sufficient. The example I gave is a Perl module that does nothing (on its own) when loaded as a Perl module (although you probably don't want to sign it anyway, given what it implements), but triggers an unwanted action when sourced (using .) as a shell script.
> @usage identifies the user space usage intended for @fd: only > TRUSTED_FOR_EXECUTION for now, but trusted_for_usage could be extended > to identify other usages (e.g. configuration, sensitive data).
We would need TRUSTED_FOR_EXECUTION_BY_BASH, TRUSTED_FOR_EXECUTION_BY_PERL, etc. I'm not sure that actually works.
Caller process context does not work because we have this confusion internally between glibc's own use (for the dynamic linker configuration), and for loading programs/shared objects (there seems to be a corner case where you can execute arbitrary code even without executable mappings in the ELF object), and the script interpreter itself (the primary target for trusted_for).
But for generating auditing events, trusted_for seems is probably quite helpful.
Thanks, Florian
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