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SubjectRe: DRM-based Oops viewer
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:04:19AM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, "Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwish.07@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello DRM/UEFI maintainers,
> >
> > Several years ago, I wrote a set of patches to dump the kernel
> > log to disk upon panic -- through BIOS INT 0x13 services. [1]
> >
> > The overwhelming response was that it's unsafe to do this in a
> > generic manner. Linus proposed a video-based viewer instead: [2]
> >
> > If you want to do the BIOS services thing, do it for video: copy the
> > oops to low RAM, return to real mode, re-run the graphics card POST
> > routines to initialize text-mode, and use the BIOS to print out the
> > oops. That is WAY less scary than writing to disk.
> >
> > Of course it's 2019 now though, and it's quite known that
> > Intel is officially obsoleting the PC/AT BIOS by 2020.. [3]
> >
> > Researching whether this can be done from UEFI, it was also clear
> > that UEFI "Runtime Services" do not provide any re-initialization
> > routines. [4]
> >
> > The maximum possible that UEFI can provide is a GOP-provided
> > framebuffer that's ready to use by the OS -- even after the UEFI
> > boot phase is marked as done through ExitBootServices(). [5]
> >
> > Of course, once native drivers like i915 or radeon take over,
> > such a framebuffer is toast... [6]
> >
> > Thus a possible remaining option, is to display the oops through
> > "minimal" DRM drivers provided for each HW variant... Since
> > these special drivers will run only and fully under a panic()
> > context though, several constraints exist:
> >
> > - The code should be fully synchronous (irqs are disabled)
> > - It should not allocate any dynamic memory
> > - It should make minimal assumptions about HW state
> > - It should not chain into any other kernel subsystem
> > - It has ample freedom to use delay-based loops and the
> > like, the kernel is already dead.
> >
> > How feasible is it to have such a special "DRM viewoops"
> > framework + its minimal drivers in the kernel?
>
> Please first better define what you want to achieve.
>
> Do you want to store the dmesg or oops (like your original series
> suggests) or do you want to display the oops? Do you want the facility
> to be functioning at all times, or only when specifically requested in
> advance by the user? If you want to display the oops, do you want it to
> also work when the display is disabled at the time of the oops? What if
> the display is at attached to a port on a dock?
>
> There's at least kdump, ramoops, and netconsole that can be used to
> achieve some of what you want. How do they fall short for you?

Assuming the use-case is to get an oops to display on a kms driver, we do
have a fairly comprehensive plan of what that's should look like:

https://dri.freedesktop.org/docs/drm/gpu/todo.html#make-panic-handling-work

This takes into account all the failed previous attempts at trying to get
an oops to display. It's conceptually a match with your viewoops framework
I think.
-Daniel
>
> BR,
> Jani.
>
>
> >
> > The target is to start from i915, since that's what in my
> > laptop now, and work from there..
> >
> > Some final notes:
> >
> > - The NT kernel has a similar concept, but for storage instead.
> > They're used to dump core under kernel panic() situations,
> > and are called "Minoport storage drivers". [7]
> >
> > - Since Windows 7+, a very fancy Blue Screen of Death is
> > displayed, with Unicode and whatnot, implying GPU drivers
> > involvement. [8]
> >
> > - Mac OS X also does something similar [9]
> >
> > - On Linux laptops, the current situation is _really_ bad.
> >
> > In any graphical session, type "echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger";
> > the screen will just completely freeze...
> >
> > Desired first goal: just print the panic() log
> >
> > Thanks a lot,
> >
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20110125134748.GA10051@laptop
> > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/AANLkTinU0KYiCd4p=z+=ojbkeEoT2G+CAYvdRU02KJEn@mail.gmail.com
> >
> > [3] https://uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/Brian_Richardson_Intel_Final.pdf
> >
> > [4] UEFI v2.7 spec, Chapter 8, "Services — Runtime Services"
> > [5] UEFI v2.7 spec, Section 12.9, "Graphics Output Protocol"
> > "The Graphics Output Protocol supports this capability by
> > providing the EFI OS loader access to a hardware frame buffer
> > and enough information to allow the OS to draw directly to
> > the graphics output device."
> >
> > [6] linux/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_drv.c::i915_kick_out_firmware_fb()
> > linux/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_drv.c::radeon_pci_probe()
> >
> > [7] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/storage/restrictions-on-miniport-drivers-that-manage-the-boot-drive
> >
> > [8] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/5/56/20181019151937%21Bsodwindows10.png
> > [9] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Mac_OS_X_10.2_Kernel_Panic.jpg
> >
> > --darwi
> > http://darwish.chasingpointers.com
>
> --
> Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center

--
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

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