Messages in this thread | | | Subject | Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document | From | James Bottomley <> | Date | Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:02:46 +0100 |
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On Mon, 2018-10-22 at 08:20 +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Sat, Oct 20 2018, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > As everyone knows by now, we added a new Code of Conduct to the > > kernel tree a few weeks ago. > > I wanted to stay detached from all this, but as remaining (publicly) > silent might be seen (publicly) as acquiescing, I hereby declare > that: > I reject, as illegitimate, this Code and the process by > which it is being "developed". > > It is clear from the surrounding discussions that this is well > outside our core competencies. It will be flawed, it isn't what we > need. > > I call on any other community members who reject this process to say > so, not to remain silent. > #Iobject
Well, I've got to say we really know how to screw up the process by ramming this in at the last minute (again):
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8e630c31a3dfc7f4ab1007f95dd507cb2fe1dda5
So yes, I'll certainly object to our inability to follow an open process.
> We don't need a "Code of Conduct" nearly as much as we need > "Leadership in conduct". Without the leadership, any code looks like > a joke.
I do think we need something in document form, though. Not least because we do have a perception problem which having a document helps allay, mostly for external not internal perceptions. As I've said several times, we have been steadily getting better thanks mostly to internal people helping drive more civilised discussions and being more helpful to new patch submitters.
I've also previously pointed out that I really like the debian code of conduct:
https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
But now that I'm in Edinburgh, I had a conversation with Jeremy Allison. Apparently the Samba community went through almost exactly the same thing as were going through now: attempt initially to impose the contributor covenant followed by an acrimonious argument (done mostly in private). However, one interesting thing for us might be their final endpoint:
https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/How_to_do_Samba:_Nicely
Which, like the debian document is a nicely engineered statement of values which is specifically tailored to their community and needs. The interesting thing is that eventually everyone in Samba agreed to this, including the people who initially tried to impose the contributor covenant.
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