Messages in this thread |  | | Date | Fri, 14 Feb 2014 12:27:48 -0500 | From | Austin S Hemmelgarn <> | Subject | Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this? |
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On 02/14/2014 11:10 AM, ChaosEsque Team wrote: > I much prefer simpler forms over complex forms. > SysV is that vs systemd. > > The systemd people have pushed hard for exclusive systemd in debian. > And everywhere else for that matter. > > I really would like to have the option, forever, to continue using > sysv scripts, just like we've been doing since linux came into existance > and since debian came into the world. I do not like how systemd > works, I just don't want to use it. I don't like how it > takes over everything. > > I do like debian, it has always been about choice. > But now the systemd people are taking that choice away. > > They are always threatening us that sysv scripts _will_ > "bit rot" away (they're wooden?, no they exist now and work > fine, and will continue to work fine). > > I wish someone could weigh in and defang the systemd and pottering > people. They are steamrolling over all of us, they seem to take > pleasure in the fact that we will have to relearn everything and on > their terms. It is domination of the mind. > > They also have zero respect for anyone else. Zero respect for > people that like the unix way. Zero respect for those older than them > and Zero respect for those working in the field. > > Could linus perhaps atleast delegate udev away from pottering and friends? > And maybe make a statement that linux is NOT systemd, there is no > new "linux software stack" that pottering and friends keep insisting on. > > This situation is coming to a head. We need leadership against this > landgrab of the systemd people. > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 2/14/14, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote: > > Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this? > To: "ChaosEsque Team" <chaosesqueteam@yahoo.com> > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 6:27 AM > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 05:19:01AM > -0800, ChaosEsque Team wrote: > > Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the > fans of them. > > Where's linus in all of this? > > > > The systemd fans ban anyone who say f__k-that to > systemd. > > > > What can we do? > > Can we fork debian? (Why do we have to...) > > Why do 4 people get to decide to send thousands and > thousands of people into the systemd waters? > > This is not fair. > > > > This is not-pro choice. And YES, linux, and especially > debian IS about choice. > > I don't know if you're trolling for a useless discussion or > this is > really your opinion but if it were, I have to say that I > agree with you > about the choice aspect. I don't like that systemd-or-die > XOR-morality > either. > > I'm sure systemd might have its merits and all but I think, > too, people > should have a choice on any distro. > > Just my 2c. > > -- > Regards/Gruss, > Boris. > > Sent from a fat crate under my desk. Formatting is fine. > --
I wholeheartedly second this, systemd is way too monolithic. What ever happened to the traditional *nix philosophy of writing a program that did one thing, and did it really well. If i wanted to be forced lack of choice, I'd be using OS X or Windows, not Linux. This is actually one of the primary reasons I refuse to use Debian or Ubuntu anymore. Even worse, I've heard rumblings of plans to integrate D-Bus into systemd, although that's likely to result in somebody forking D-Bus.
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