Messages in this thread | | | Date | Sat, 9 Feb 2013 19:57:51 -0600 | From | Jeff Epler <> | Subject | Re: [RFC][PATCH] Entropy generator with 100 kB/s throughput |
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On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 01:06:29PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > For that reasons, what I would suggest doing first is generate a > series of outputs of jitterentropy_get_nstime() followed by > schedule(). Look and see if there is any pattern. That's the problem > with the FIPS 140-2 tests. Passing those tests are necessary, but > *NOT* sufficient to prove that you have a good cryptographic > generator. Even the tiniest amount of post-processing, even if they > aren't cryptographic, can result in an utterly predictable series of > numbers to pass the FIPS 140-2 tests.
In fact, Stephan's 'xor and shift a counter' design, even with zero input entropy (a counter incrementing at a constant rate), passes FIPS and a surprising fraction of dieharder tests (though some of the tests, such as diehard_count_1s_str, have this generator dead to rights); it also gives an ent entropy well in excess of 7.9999 bits per byte. This means it's hard to be confident that the entropy measured by ent is coming from the input entropy as opposed to the (exceedingly minimal-seeming on the surface!) amount of mixing done by the xor-and-shift...
It appears the entropy counted is equal to the log2 of the difference between successive samples (minus one?), but even if you have a good argument why the ones bit is unpredictable it doesn't seem an argument that applies as strongly to the weight-128 bit.
When the jitterrand loop runs 10 times, the LSB of that first loop has only gotten up to the 30th bit, so there are 20+ MSBs of the register that have not yet had bits rolled into them that are 'entropic' under the definition being used.
Finally, in the 'turbid' random number generator (http://www.av8n.com/turbid/), the author develops a concept of hash saturation. He concludes that if you have a noise source with a known (or assumed!) entropy and a has function that is well-distributed over N bits, you'd better put in M > N bits of entropy in order to be confident that the output register has N bits. He appears to suggest adding around 10 extra bits of randomness, or 74 bits randomness for a 64-bit hash, relatively indepently of the size of the hash. This design gathers only 64 bits if you trust the input entropy calculation, which according to the hash saturation calculation means that the output will only have about 63.2 bits of randomness per 64 bits output.
Here's my 'absolutely zero entropy' version of the jitter random algorithm as I understand it:
#include <stdint.h> #include <unistd.h>
const uint64_t dt = 65309; uint64_t t, r;
static inline uint64_t rol64(uint64_t word, unsigned int shift) { return (word << shift) | (word >> (64 - shift)); }
uint64_t jitterrand() { int i; // each sample from the 'stuck counter' will be accounted as 7 bits of // entropy, so 10 cycles to get >= 63 bits of randomness for(i=0; i<10; i++) { t += dt; r = rol64(r ^ t, 3); } return r; }
int main() { while(1) { uint64_t val = jitterrand(); ssize_t res = write(1, &val, sizeof(val)); if(res < 0) break; } return 0; }
// Jeff
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