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SubjectRe: Re: Re: [PATCH v2 10/13] kprobes: Remove uneeded kernel dependency on struct arch_specific_insn
(2013/11/14 23:15), Jon Medhurst (Tixy) wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 11:02 +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
>> (2013/11/14 2:13), Jon Medhurst (Tixy) wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 17:04 -0400, David Long wrote:
>>>> From: "David A. Long" <>
>>>> Instead of depending on include/asm/kprobes.h to provide a dummy definition
>>>> for struct arch_specific_insn, do so in include/linux/kprobes.h.
>>> That change description doesn't quite seem to quite make sense to me.
>>> Anyway, what we're trying to do with this patch is to allow us to use
>>> arch_specific_insn for purposes additional to implementing kprobes. This
>>> patch enables that but I'm wary that the kprobes code assumes that ainsn
>>> is a struct arch_specific_insn, e.g. in linux/kernel/kprobes.c we have:
>>> memcpy(&p->ainsn, &ap->ainsn, sizeof(struct arch_specific_insn));
>>> Now, that code isn't compiled when kprobes isn't configured, but it
>>> seams to me to be safer if that was also changed to
>>> memcpy(&p->ainsn, &ap->ainsn, sizeof(p->ainsn));
>> This kind of cleanup looks good for me, but I don't agree to change
>> the type of the member (removing is OK) by Kconfig.
> Wouldn't that still require an #ifdef CONFIG_KPROBES around ainsn?
> Admittedly a less ugly one than one to change its type to an int.

Yeah, that's the point.

>> If you want to
>> change the framework of kprobes and uprobes itself (unification),
>> I'm appreciate to discuss with you and uprobes people, because it
>> will involve all arch dependent code change, *NOT ONLY* the ARM issue.
> Well, I don't think the goal wasn't unification as such. For kprobes on
> ARM we have to decode and simulate pretty much the entire instruction
> set(s) and the attempt to implement uprobes on ARM have tried to make
> use of as much of that as possible. The tricky bit has been as to where
> to try and draw the level of abstraction, and it seems this may well be
> leaking out of the arch specific arena.

I see, I've heard that from Sandeepa who are working on arm64 kprobes.
His patch series now has generic interface of decoder/simulator.

> Bit of background, Dave Long has been working on ARM uprobes based on
> Rabin Vincent's earlier work, and I, as author of a large part of the
> current ARM kprobes code, have been reviewing (not very satisfactorily I
> admit) the bits that impact that. One of my motivations has been to push
> the kprobes instruction decoding to be more generic, rather than special
> casing things to cope with uprobes. This is because I'm aware of the
> reoccurring theme on the ARM lists that it would be good to not have all
> the different methods of instruction decoding, for probes, debug and
> simulation, etc. (I'm sceptical that a one-size-fits-all is possible,
> but consolidation where practical is good).

Same as x86, we still have different code base of kprobes and uprobes
Fortunately, x86 instruction decoder is separated, but single-stepping
and other parts are not well shared.

>>> However, I also wonder if we should instead leave arch_specific_insn as
>>> a kprobes specific structure and on ARM define it in terms of a new more
>>> generic 'struct probe_insn'? The drawback with that is that we'd
>>> probably end up with a struct just containing a single member which
>>> seems a bit redundant:
>>> struct arch_specific_insn {
>>> struct probe_insn pinsn;
>>> };
>> I also disagree it. If you have a plan to integrate uprobes and kprobes
>> arch specific code, please share it with us.
> There's not really a 'plan', just an attempt to reuse the instruction
> decoding code used by kprobes in the implementation of uprobes, i.e. the
> patch series [1] which this mail thread is in reply to.
> [1]

OK, and I think similar method we can use on x86 too. :)
In that case, we may be able to simplify the arch_specific_insn.

Thank you,

IT Management Research Dept. Linux Technology Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory

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