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SubjectRE: [PATCH 1/7] power_supply: Add charger control properties
> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] power_supply: Add charger control properties
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 23:18:08 -0700 Anton Vorontsov <> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 03:36:36AM +0000, Tc, Jenny wrote:
> > > > But do we really want to control the chargers through the
> > > > power_supply's user-visible interface? It makes the whole power
> > > > supply thing so complicated that I'm already losing track of it.
> > > > Right now I think I would prefer to move all the charger logic out of the psy class.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think exposing properties make the logic generic, otherwise it may
> > > end up in having callback functions.
> > >
> > > Also there are some scenarios where the charging algorithm has to be
> > > in the user space.
> >
> > Which scenarios?

Charger may be of two different path. 1) Single path 2) Dual path

With a single path charger, the charger will be having only one output
path. This path supplies power to battery(IBAT) and to system (ISYS). With dual path
chargers, charger will be having two separate output paths -to battery and to system .

With single path chargers, consider the scenario when system is idle and the maximum
Allowed charge current is 1A. So the charger output can be set to 1A so that battery can
charge with 1A. But with a varying load, this may not be good. If the platform consumes
500mA, then the charging current would be reduced to 500mA. But increasing the output
to 1.5A may result in high charge current if the load is reduced.

Identifying different use case and their power profile helps to handle this scenario.
This can be better handled by some algorithm in user space which can monitor the
running applications and derive average platform load. The algorithm can proactively
decide the charge current based on the power and thermal characteristics of different
use case.

So in this scenario, there is a need to modify the charging parameters from the user space.

> >
> > Plus, I am more questioning if the power supply framework is the right
> > thing to control the *chargers*. Chargers are not the power supply to
> > the system or any device (well, except for the batteries themselves).
> I'm not sure this is (always) true.
> On my device ( the battery, the USB OTG port, and a separate 5VDC input can
> each be the power source of the whole device.
> The USB and 5VDC cannot both be active concurrently, but either can be active together
> with the battery.
> The device can function without the battery, so the charger plugged into the USB-OTG
> must be supplying power to the system (not just the battery).
> The "charger" functionality sits between the battery and the external power supply
> monitoring the voltage on the battery and the current from the external supply. Based on
> these values (and some timers and a state machine) it enabled or disables the external
> supply and possibly imposes a current-limit on it.
> The three power sources all have "power_supply" devices registered (though the battery
> only does because it contains a bq27000 charger counter).
> I've been wondering where to put sysfs attributes to control the charging.
> I currently place them in the power_supply device for each external power source.
> That makes some sense for the 'current limit' value, but not for the 'battery volts at which
> to re-start charging' value.
> There is also a setting which affects whether the external source is switched off if the
> voltage drops below 4.4V. In some circumstances I want to leave the charger enabled then,
> as it could just mean the cyclist is taking a break and there should be current again soon.
> I think the sensible place for these tune-ables is with the battery. i.e. the power_supply
> that corresponds to the battery could register "min voltage" and "min current".
> The charger driver needs to know about this battery and about any power sources that can
> charge it, and uses the state of the battery to decide how to tune the state of the charger.
> I note that there is already something a lot like this between
> 88pm860x_battery.c
> and
> 88pm860x_charger.c
> They manage to locate each other and the charger call get_property and set_property on the
> battery.
> Maybe formalising this might be a useful way forward.
> I'm not sure that we really need a new driver-class for chargers. Maybe just a way to link
> external power supplies to battery power supplies, and maybe some agreement on what
> they are allowed to say to each other.
> Jenny: would something like that work for you??

The idea of charging framework is to connect different components to setup and monitor
charging. This includes battery identification protocols, battery driver, charger driver,
platform thermal profile for charging, different cables (USB/AC/Wireless/MHL etc),
different charging algorithms (PSE compliant/ruler based/pulse charging etc).
This makes the charger driver simple. It can just act as a h/w abstraction layer
and doesn't need to be aware of the cable types/properties/thermal/battery
characteristics. All logic resides in the framework layer.

The proposal separates the battery characteristics (different from runtime battery
properties) from the charger/battery driver. The battery characteristics can be
read based on the type of battery identification interface - Analog (BSI)
or digital. In case of Analog interface, a BSI resistance is used to identify the
battery. Based on the BSI resistance battery charging profile and characteristics
can be loaded.

In case of digital battery profile, a one wire protocol is used to read the battery
properties from an EEPROM inside the Battery pack. In some platforms to
reduce the battery pack cost, the EEPROM may be on the board and may be
connected using I2C lines.

Separating out this logic from battery driver makes it more modular. So the
proposal uses a battery identification layer to read the battery profile. So the
charger and battery drivers (fuel gauge drivers) can read the profile from
the battery identification layer and configure the h/w register settings

So the tunable attributes resides in the battery identification layer and the
drivers reads them from this layer.

I uploaded a modified version of the Charging Framework ELCE presentation at
Hope this would give more idea about the proposal.

> >
> > > Using the patch,
> > > the power supply change notification can be broadcasted. We can add
> > > notifier events for power_supply_register and thermal throttling.
> > > This way power_supply_charger.c can be a separate driver and it can listen to psy
> notifications to take actions.
> >
> > If you ever need this particular notifier, I am OK with it (but I'll
> > consider applying it only together with some its users).
> >
> > Basically, I am more against these three patches:
> >
> > [PATCH 3/7] power_supply: add throttle state [PATCH 2/7] power_supply:
> > add charger cable properties [PATCH 1/7] power_supply: Add charger
> > control properties (enable_charger part)

[PATCH 3/7] power_supply: add throttle state and
[PATCH 2/7] power_supply: add charger cable properties can be reworked
I can move them out of power_supply.h to a new file

But I think the control properties exposed in patch
" [PATCH 1/7] power_supply: Add charger control properties" qualifies
to be part of power_supply.h

INPUT_CURRENT_LIMIT - Controls the output from external supply.
CHARGE_TERM_CUR - Decides when to stop supply to battery. When supply
to battery is stopped, battery starts supplying power to platform.

MIN_TEMP - minimum temperature for a power supply
MAX_TEMP - maximum temperature for a power supply
ENABLE_CHARGING - enable/disable charging. Enable/disable supply to battery.
ENABLE_CHARGER - enable/disable charger. Enable/disable supply to system and battery.
CABLE_TYPE - type of a cable, helps to identify the cable type
PRIORITY - priority for charging if multiple charger drivers are present.

All attributes control the external power supply or the battery. The term charger may get
confused as "charger IC". Do you have better suggestions?

> >
> > These three add too much "charger" specifics to the power_supply
> > stuff. I think they deserve their own subsystem/class/whatever.
> >
> > Also, the battid framework is written without any notion of
> > device/driver separation, uses global variables, and I suspect it
> > should not exist at all (psy_get_batt_prop function makes me think
> > that you should just register the i2c/spi/w1 battery with the
> > power_supply and not use the ad-hoc stuff).

These drivers are not power supply. They just reads the static battery profile and
exposes to the consumers. Hope previous explanation on this would be helpful

> >
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