Messages in this thread | | | Date | Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:55:46 -0800 | From | Hans Reiser <> | Subject | Re: Debian Kernels was: 2.6.0test9 Reiserfs boot time "buffer layer error at fs/buffer.c:431" |
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Pavel Machek wrote:
>Hi! > > > >>>There was a bug in one of the released Debian kernels, and do you think this >>>hasn't happened with Redhat, SuSe, or Mandrake? Just because Debian is >>>completely OSS and maintained mostly by unpaid volunteers, that shouldn't >>>keep them from having a seperate tree like everyone else. >>> >>> >>Just to avoid a false impression: I am in no way against debian project nor do >>I say there is anything specifically bad about it. I am generally disliking >>distros' ideas of having _own_ kernels. Commercial companies like SuSE or Red >>Hat may find arguments for that which are commercially backed, debian on the >>other hand can hardly argue commercially. From the community point of view it >>is just nonsense. It means more work and less useable feedback. >>Bugs is distro kernels are (always) the sole fault of their respective >>maintainers because they actively decided _not_ to follow the mainstream and >>made bogus patches. Why waste the appreciated work of (unpaid) debian >>volunteers in this area? There are tons of other work left with far more >>relevance for users than bleeding edge kernel patches... >> >> > > >Debian is distibution; distributions are _expected_ to fix bugs (etc) >in their packages. > > not in their packages, but in their packaging, and to submit bug fixes to the maintainers.
>If distribution had all packages unmodified, it would be useless... > > not at all.
>So I'd expect all distros to have at least some changes in their >kernel... the same way I expect distros to have some patches in >midnight commander etc. > >Of course it is good to keep the .diff as small as possible. > Pavel > > I just want to say that I would happily do 10 times as much work to keep things working for debian, but not using the vanilla kernel is a mistake for debian, just as changing, say, xmms without involving the xmms maintainer would be a mistake and more likely to cause bugs for users. Just because SuSE and RedHat have lots of money doesn't mean that debian should ape their mistakes.
-- Hans
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