Messages in this thread | | | Date | Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:30:20 -0700 (PDT) | From | Jonathan Walther <> | Subject | Re: LINUX |
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Besides the X-mailing-list: header, many mailing lists now politely user the Sender: header field to identify themselves.
For this list, my infallible procmail rule is:
0: * ^Sender:.*owner-linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu linux-kernel
Jonathan Walther
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On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Ted Rolle wrote: > > >Well, it seems to make more sense to have a well-defined place (like the > >start of the subject line rather than have it "in the headers". > > I suggest you read RFC 822. > > >I like precision. > > Then purchase a vernier caliper. > > >Causes less problems downstream. > > For you perhaps. > > >And the "If your mail client can't sort properly..." is a > >fatuous argument. > > No it is not. As far as I know, there is *NO* defined email > header that is a standard place to put identifying information as > to which mailing list a particular mail comes from. > > Therefore, it is up to the administrator of each mailing list to > deal with this inconvenient issue themselves, and in the best way > known to them. > > The best nonintrusive way to do this, is to put a new header into > the mail message called "X-mailing-list" which is what a great > many mailing lists do. Other lists, have some other static > header. > > Since there is no "standard way" to identify a mailing list > across the board, each list does it in their own way. Some do in > fact use the subject line, because their admin does not know any > better. Others do it the proper way, but choosing some other > header that does not negatively affect anything. > > Since there is no standard way to put identify the mailing list > in the message headers, there is also no standard way for email > client software to "detect" which mailing list a mail comes from. > The identifying information is in _some_ header, but that could > be any one of many, or none at all. As such, the best way to > implement mail folder sorting is with some regular expression > based email filter that can search the header, and optionally the > body of each incoming mail message. > > If you were to do a poll of all mailing lists out there, you > would very much find that a large majority of them do NOT use the > subject line for identification, and DO use an alternate header > of some sort, or no indentification at all. I am on about 30 > mailing lists right now, and not ONE uses the subject line, thank > god. > > As such, this is how the MAJORITY of mailing lists indentify > themselves to client software, and it is up to the end user to > run software that can properly filter mail based on defacto > standard procedures for identifying mailing lists. If you do > not, then your software isn't broken, but it isn't going to do > what you want either. As such, you can either upgrade your mail > client, or even better - use procmail as your mail filter. It is > free, and works as a front end to your mailbox, so you can use > ANY EMAIL CLIENT you wish. > > > >Taken to the other extreme, would it cause insurmountable > >problems to the other "several thousand" on the mailing list? > > Yes it would. The subject line allready gets cut in half when > displaying the folder screen in practically any email client. > Thus you have about 3-4 inches of subject line showing at best. > Losing 2 more inches to put "[LINUX-KERNEL]" on every message > would make it extremely inconvenient to everyone on this list > that matters (and I'm not necessarily one of them). > > >I think not. > > That is your opinion. At any rate the discussion is completely > useless, and a waste of bandwidth because regardless of what you > think/want on the issue, the maintainer of the vger mailing > lists, as well as 99.9% of the subscribers of all the vger > mailing lists do not want the current method to change. You can > complain until you're purple if you like, but it is basically a > "I am GOD of this mailing list, and it will not change" issue, so > don't waste your breath. (Note: GOD - in the above context, is > not me. ;o) I believe David Miller is GOD in this particular > context. ;o) > > Other than that, enjoy the mailing list, and check out the > procmail program: > > man procmail > > Use the following rule to sort linux-kernel: > > # Store linux kernel messages into a different folder. > :0: > * ^TOlinux-kernel@vger > LINUX-KERNEL > > > Take care, > TTYL > > > > -- > Mike A. Harris Linux advocate GNU advocate > Computer Consultant Open Source advocate > > Tea, Earl Grey, Hot... > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ >
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