Messages in this thread | | | Date | Mon, 29 Apr 2024 01:12:58 +0300 | Subject | Re: [PATCH v5 0/3] implement OA2_CRED_INHERIT flag for openat2() | From | stsp <> |
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29.04.2024 00:30, Andy Lutomirski пишет: > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 2:15 PM stsp <stsp2@yandex.ru> wrote: >> But isn't that becoming a problem once >> you are (maliciously) passed such fds via >> exec() or SCM_RIGHTS? You may not know >> about them (or about their creds), so you >> won't close them. Or? > Wait, who's the malicious party?
Someone who opens an fd with O_CRED_ALLOW and passes it to an unsuspecting process. This is at least how I understood the Christian Brauner's point about "unsuspecting userspace".
> Anyone who can open a directory has, > at the time they do so, permission to do so. If you send that fd to > someone via SCM_RIGHTS, all you accomplish is that they now have the > fd.
Normally yes. But fd with O_CRED_ALLOW prevents the receiver from fully dropping his privs, even if he doesn't want to deal with it.
> In my scenario, the malicious party attacks an *existing* program that > opens an fd for purposes that it doesn't think are dangerous. And > then it gives the fd *to the malicious program* by whatever means > (could be as simple as dropping privs then doing dlopen). Then the > malicious program does OA2_INHERIT_CREDS and gets privileges it > shouldn't have.
But what about an inverse scenario? Malicious program passes an fd to the "unaware" program, putting it under a risk. That program probably never cared about security, since it doesn't play with privs. But suddenly it has privs, passed out of nowhere (via exec() for example), and someone who hacks it, takes them.
>>>> My solution was to close such fds on >>>> exec and disallowing SCM_RIGHTS passage. >>> I don't see what problem this solves. >> That the process that received them, >> doesn't know they have O_CRED_ALLOW >> within. So it won't deduce to close them >> in time. > Hold on -- what exactly are you talking about? A process does > recvmsg() and doesn't trust the party at the other end. Then it > doesn't close the received fd. Then it does setuid(getuid()). Then > it does dlopen or exec of an untrusted program. > > Okay, so the program now has a completely unknown fd. This is already > part of the thread model. It could be a cred-capturing fd, it could > be a device node, it could be a socket, it could be a memfd -- it > could be just about anything. How do any of your proposals or my > proposals cause an actual new problem here?
I am not actually sure how widely does this spread. I.e. /dev/mem is restricted these days, but if you can freely pass device nodes around, then perhaps the ability to pass an r/o dir fd that can suddenly give creds, is probably not something new... But I really don't like to add to this particular set of cases. I don't think its safe, I just think its legacy, so while it is done that way currently, doesn't mean I can do the same thing and call it "secure" just because something like this was already possible. Or is this actually completely safe? Does it hurt to have O_CRED_ALLOW non-passable?
>>> This is fundamental to the whole model. If I stick a FAT formatted USB >>> drive in the system and mount it, then any process that can find its >>> way to the mountpoint can write to it. And if I open a dirfd, any >>> process with that dirfd can write it. This is old news and isn't a >>> problem. >> But IIRC O_DIRECTORY only allows O_RDONLY. >> I even re-checked now, and O_DIRECTORY|O_RDWR >> gives EISDIR. So is it actually true that >> whoever has dir_fd, can write to it? > If the filesystem grants that UID permission to write, then it can write.
Which to me sounds like owning an O_DIRECTORY fd only gives you the ability to skip the permission checks of the outer path components, but not the inner ones. So passing it w/o O_CRED_ALLOW was quite safe and didn't give you any new abilities.
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